Tuesday, 21 June 2011

WH40K 6th Edition???

Hi all,

Angryman here, I was reading through the warpshadow forums and came accross this:

From Blood of Kittens: http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=307825

Through Warseer: http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=307825


We, the gamers, are sitting on the receiving end of this dishonest policy once more. We are treated like children and that is exactly the goal of these changes. So here are some of their plans, as long as the info is available, to spoil some of their surprises:

* first 6th edition codexes, but release before or with rulebook, small release with single or two waves: Black Templars (1 waves: 2x plactic, 2x Finecast), Tau (1 wave: 3x plastic boxes, 4x Finecast), Necrons (2 waves)

* first real 6th edition codex: Codex Chaos Legions, really big release in three waves, doesn’t invalidate Codex Chaos Space Marines which gets extensive White Dwarf update as Codex Renegade Space Marines

* two starter sets, each with rules, dices, movement markers, mission booklet, one with Dark Angels and fitting scenery, the other with Black Legion and Chaos scenery.

You can combine both to play the campaign or use one set alone to play a selection of dumbed down scenarios against every other force, first starter set that comes with a model for a well established special character

* 6th edition is finished rulewise for some time now, the overall goal is to fix some of the long time problems of the game system. Expect a lot more fundamental improvements than last edition. The rules were even more ambitious at some stage of development, but didn’t get approved as they were too far away from the established rules.

The main designer left company and his successors brought the rules back in line with the existing codexes. The rules are nonetheless a bigger step forward than from 4th to 5th. Changes are so big that the next edition relies partial on erratas to fix old codexes. Development relied heavily on feedback of veteran playtesters. You can see some results of this new approach by the way the FAQs were handled in the last months. All codexes since Codex Tyranids were written with the new rules in mind, especially the new mission and reserve structure.

* The main design goals are: one book to rule them all, heroic characters, visceral combat, streamlined mechanism, cleaned up presentation and strategy before chance * strong narrative focus on Chaos, perspective shifting from the Empire to the struggle between free races and the Warp

* the biggest rule changes:

- similar ballistic to hit chart as wound chart: compare BS to target’s speed and unit type. BS 3 hits moving infantry on 4+, but lightning fast jetbikes on 6+ and stationary tank on 2+… HUGE

- victory points are back, but with another twist: you get two victory points if an unit holds an objective for an entire game turn, if a scoring unit holds one, you get three and one if you destroy a squad leader or vehicle

- before the game there is a bidding contest for the opportunity of the first turn, if you bid more strategic points you can go first, but the enemy can spent these points on stratagems as in Cities of Death: 22 generic stratagems

– for example for one point you can decide on night fighting or place an automatic gun, for four you can shift your reserves, most expensive stratagems are at 12 points and are really drastic, every unspent point can be used once a game for a reroll

- new turn sequence: prepare-movement-assault-shooting-consolidate new phase “consolidate” phase for random movements, jetpack movements, pursuits, morale checks/effects and resolving shooting reactions assault before shooting

* big units are real roadblocks! Some more examples for the development doctrines One rulebook for all:

- flyer rules are incorporated in the main rules

- narrative rule section that expands core rules: formations, super heavies, gaining experience

* modular rules, core rules can easily be expanded by narratives rules or another expansion set Heroic characters:

- independent characters more powerful, armour save and invulnerable save at the same time

- squad leaders more important, no more 50% rallying threshold, unit can rally as long as squad leader lives

- independent characters can snipe More visceral combat:

- standard cover only 5+ now, Feel No Pain (1) only on 5+

- slow slogging units very vulnerable

* some weapon types are specialized in taking out specific unit types and are incredible good at doing this (sniper vs. infantry without armour), but on the other hand ordnance vs flyer isn’t going to do much streamlined:

- no more random movement at all

- 5 general types of psychic powers

- wound allocation like 4th edition on unit basis, but attacker can chose every 5th wound to go to a single model (sniper weapon every second wound)

- artillery is normal immobile vehicle squadron, crew has no other game purpose than to be a counter for rate of fire and attacks clean up of combusted rules:

- there are tiers for most of the special rules. Instant Death (2) circumvents Eternal Warrior (1) for example. Feel No Pain (1) is 5+, Feel No Pain (2) is 4+ and Feel No Pain (3) is 3+. If no value is given, the special rule is tier 1.

- no more difference between leadership test and morale test

* terrain rules on a single page, true line of sight, non-vehicles models are ignored altogether, rules for special terrain like bunkers, ruins or deathworld mangroves in narrative rule section less randomness, more strategic options:

- more elaborate reserve rules, can nominate turn of arrvial and has only small change to arrive earlier or later, or can intervene behind enemy lines, arrives randomly but can hinder enemy reserves, must be distributed evenly between turn two and three, later arrivals only randomly

-no more random game length -no roll for first turn

-deep striking units more than 18” from enemy away don’t scatter, but landing in 6” is much more dangerous

- movement impairing effects from pinning weapons even if morale check is passed (if roll is above halved Ld), Fearless not immune to this, but only effected if rolled over full Ld

- more reactions to shooting than going to the ground depending on unit type and special rules. bikes can evade (3+ cover as same as before, but cannot assault or shoot next turn), jump troops can fly high, units with Stealth can attempt to vanish
I have no idea how true these are, as usual, all comments welcome



  2. That's also my concern. Lots more to keep track of and not really much pay off for it.

    I'll wait and see what actually shows up, because this contradicts the new "GW Policy" of "keeping things under wraps until close to release".

    Flyers are an obvious one at the moment, since everyone seems to be getting them, and it's the next logical step (IMO) for 40K to go. Same way that WHFB now has every army coming with a big monster.

    As I say, will wait and see, but I'm not keen on the sounds of the main rules, but I want updated Codexes!

  3. I really hope this is just some guy trying to get attention because most of this sounds alot like what "Goatboy" has on his wishlist. I just can't see one guys idea storming forming the basis of GW's next ruleset, and them having it finished for nearly 3 years? GW never work that far in advance.

    I can see the flyers being put in though, but thats it.

    If these are true, then I really want to try other games like BFG, Necromunda and Fantasy.

  4. I for one enjoy 5th edition, they could change a couple of things to streamline the game a little more e.g. the WS modifiers, a WS4 marine still hits a WS8 monster on a 4+, small things like that need to change (IMHO). The introduction of flyers I like. A few more missions in the main rulebook would be good too (but then how would GW make more money buy selling 'battle missions'). As with most other people i'd like the FAQ's and errata updated on a more regular basis. Other than that i'm mostly happy with the current edition.